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From Danny’s Files: The Gorman’s of Ballycroney, Glenmore
Danny Dowling (1927-2021) often referred to surnames that were no longer found in Glenmore Parish as extinct names. One such name is Gorman or O’Gorman. At one point Danny noted in correspondence in 2001 with Patrick Gorman of Illinois that two Gorman families resided in Ballycroney, Glenmore.
Willie Holden, of Ballycroney, yesterday confirmed that there were Gorman’s in Ballycroney in the past. They lived where Bolger’s once lived and Bernard Walsh lives there now. Neddy Holden, of Clune, told Willie, that P.N. O’Gorman’s people came from Ballycroney. For our international readers P.N. O’Gorman and his wife in 1924 established an auctioneers/estate agents/valuers business in New Ross that can still be found on the Quay today.
Today we are going to review the early Glenmore Parish records to determine how many Gorman families resided in Ballycroney, highlight the two Gorman brothers in Illinois and attempt to determine who went to New Ross.
Review of Early Glenmore Parish Records
Denis Gorman & his wife Eleanor Murphy
A review of the combined Slieverue/Glenmore parish records reveals that the first Gorman we could confirm as being in Ballycrone (sic) was Denis Gorman and his wife Eleanor Murphy. Their son [1] Patrick was born there in 1785 and they had 5 more children the last being born in 1797 just before the 1798 Rebellion. The 5 children include:
[2] Mary Gorman (1787);
[3] Catherine Gorman (1789);
[4] Richard Gorman (1790);
[5] James Gorman (1792); and
[6] Michael Gorman (1797)).
Michael Gorman & his wife Mary Cody
The second oldest confirmed record we could find was for Michael Gorman and his wife Mary Cody. They were married at Glenmore on 13 November 1812, and had 9 children in Ballycrony from 1813 to 1835. The witnesses at their wedding were William Gorman and Walter Bolger. It is not known if this Michael was the son of Denis Gorman and his wife Eleanor Murphy. He would have been just 15 when he married in 1812, thus it is not likely. He may have been a younger brother of Denis, a nephew or no relation at all.
The children of Michael Gorman and Mary Cody include:
[1] Catherine Gorman (bapt. 13 April 1813)
[2] Juny Gorman (bapt. 16 March 1815)
[3] William Gorman (bapt. 8 Dec. 1816)
[4] Denis Gorman (bapt. 1 May 1819)
[5] Patrick Gorman (bapt. 18 Feb. 1822)
[6] Edmund Gorman (bapt. 20 April 1825-18 Nov.1888) Emigrated to Illinois before 1852.
[7] Mary Gorman (bapt. 17 July 1827)
[8] James Gorman (bapt. 24 Aug. 1828)
[9] Richard Gorman (bapt. 4 Nov. 1835-14 Aug. 1914) Emigrated to Illinois in 1867.
James Gorman & Bridget Wallis [Wallace]
The third family we found in Ballycroney was James Gorman and his wife Bridget Wallis. They had at least five children from 1826 to 1834.
Their eldest child [1] Denis Gorman was born in 1825. The record states that the father’s name was Denis. However, given that 3 of the other children were the children of James Gorman and Bridget Wallis {Wallace] we believe an error was made on the eldest two children’s baptismal records. The other children include:
[2] (father given as John) William Gorman (1826);
[3] Mary Gorman (1828);
[4] Mary Gorman (1832) and
[5] Ellen Gorman (1834).
It is likely that this James Gorman was the son of Denis Gorman and his wife Eleanor Murphy (born in 1792). The traditional naming patterns of this time holds true. The eldest male child was named Denis after his paternal grandfather. The second eldest girl was named Ellen after her paternal grandmother.
Other Gorman Families in Early Glenmore Parish Records
Carrigcloney, Glenmore
The early combined parish records also provided that one Gorman family resided in Carrigcloney, Glenmore. Richard Gorman and his wife Honor Foley married on 1 March 1810 at Kilmacow. They moved to Carrigcloney, Glenmore and had [1] Michael Gorman in 1811;[2] John Gorman (1814). The family moved to St. John’s Parish in Kilkenny where [3] James Gorman was born in 1816; [4] Patrick Gorman (1818); [5] Edmund Gorman [1820]; [6] Thomas Gorman (1823); [7] Mary Gorman (1825) and [8] Peter Gorman (1827).
Parkstown, Glenmore
Parkstown, Glenmore—Denis O’Gorman and his wife Catherine Donovan had their son Patrick O’Gorman baptized on 17 March 1827. No other baptismal records could be located for this couple.
P.N. O’Gorman of New Ross
Peter Nicholas O’Gorman (1876-1947) was the youngest child of William Gorman (c. 1829-1889) and his wife Mary Finn (c.1840-1898) His parents were married at New Ross on 10 August 1861. P.N. was baptized at New Ross by Fr. D.J. Gorman on 9 Sept. 1876. William was employed as a cooper, and the family lived on Mary Street, New Ross.
We believe that P.N. O’Gorman’s father was William Gorman (bapt. 11 June 1826) to John (sic) Gorman and his wife Bridget Wallis, Ballycroney, Glenmore. However, we have no definitive record or obituary that gives his place of birth as Ballycroney or provides the names of William’s parents.
The children of William Gorman (c. 1829-1889) & Mary Finn (c. 1840-1898)
[1] Elizabeth Gorman (1862-c. 1888) Died of meningitis, aged 25.
[2] Eleanor Gorman (1863-1920) Ellen O’Gorman, of Mary St., married a widower, Elias Thackery Vickers (c. 1864 -1908) (solicitor from South St.) on 27 April 1897 at St. Mary’s New Ross. She listed her father William as a farmer/merchant. Witnesses to the wedding were James J. O’Gorman & Lizzie Finn. Elias Thackery Vickers died in 1908. Ellen Vickers née Gorman died 16 January 1920, in Haughton Hospital, a widow, at the age of 52 of paralysis. Elias Thackery Vicker’s first wife was Caroline Fegan of Tramore, Co. Waterford. They married in the Church of Ireland on 27 Sept. 1881 at Tramore. His father was Samuel Vickers and her father was William Fegan. Both fathers were retired RIC officials. Reginald George Vickers was born at New Ross on 5 Jan. 1886. He died 20 Feb. 1914 at home on South St. he was a watchmaker (28, bachelor). His step-mother Eleanor was with him at his death.
[3] Fr. Richard Gorman O.S.A. (1865-1921) was an Augustinian priest. He died in Cork.
[4] James Nicholas Gorman (1867-1871) died of Bright’s disease at the age of 4.
[5] Mary Joseph Gorman (1873- 1884) died of enteric fever aged 9.
[6] James Joseph Gorman (1874-? ) per P.N. O’Gorman’s 1947 obit James died in the US.
[7] Peter Nicholas Gorman (1876-1947) (P.N. O’Gorman)
Sometime after the birth of the children the family began to use the surname O’Gorman. William O’ Gorman died 3 Sept. 1889 at home on Mary St, New Ross. His widow Mary was with him when he died. She provided that he was 60 and a cooper. Mary O’Gorman née Finn died the 28th of June 1898 at her home on Mary St. Her youngest son, P.N. O’Gorman, was present when she died. He provided that she was 58 years old and the widow of a butter merchant.
Peter N. O’Gorman married Elizabeth Sullivan ( ? -1959) on 26 April 1922 at St. Mary’s, Haddington Road, Dublin. She was the daughter of Daniel Sullivan (merchant) and from Northumberland Rd., South Dublin. The couple lived in Ivy Cottage, Rosbercon, and shorty after their marriage they established P.N. O’Gorman Auctioneers/Valuers in Rosbercon. The business later moved across the river to the New Ross quay.
Peter O’Gorman served in several public offices. He served as Chairman of the Urban Council which under his chairmanship completed 3 housing schemes , all streets were renovated and the quay concreted. He was a member of the Harbour Commission and served on the Wexford Co. Council during 1917-1919. He was a member of the New Ross Agricultural Society and followed the Kilkenny Hounds under Major McCalmount of Mount Juliet. He was a Governor of Haughton Hospital (New Ross Standard, Fri. 14 Nov. 1947, p. 4).
Peter Nicholas O’Gorman (1876-1947) died 7 Nov. 1947 at Ivy Cottage in Rosbercon. He was 71 years of age. At the time of his death, for his service to New Ross, he was given a public funeral. His widow, Elizabeth died in January 1959.
Gorman Brothers in Illinois
Thanks to Patrick Gorman’s extensive research and correspondence with Danny Dowling we know of at least two Gorman brothers emigrated from Ballycroney and settled in Illinois. These brothers were the sons of Michael Gorman and his wife Mary Cody. The Peoria area became the home to several Glenmore families as emigrants tended to go to family or friends already settled in the U.S. See our post of 30 Sept. 2024 regarding the McDonald Family of Ballyfacey, Glenmore in Peoria.
Edward Gorman (1825-1880) Native of Ballycroney, Glenmore
Edward Gorman (1825-1880) married Ann Morrissey (c. 1825-1893) on 27 April 1852 at Peoria, Illinois. Edward became a naturalized citizen in 1856 in Peoria. In the 1870 Census Edward was employed as a labourer and the couple had 5 children from 16 to 5 years of age.
[1] Mary A. Gorman (1855-1938)
[2] Katherine Burns née Gorman (1858-1935)
[3] Michael P. Gorman (1858-1940)
[4] William M. Gorman (1863-1921)
[5] John Edward Gorman (1865-1947)
By the 1880 Census, Edward was farming in Stark County, Illinois about 35 miles north west of Peoria. Edward died on 19 Nov. 1888 in Stark County, Illinois. He is buried in St. Mary of the Woods Cemetery in Princeville, Peoria County, Illinois and has the most amazing information recorded on his headstone. See Findagrave for a photo of his gravestone.
Edward Gorman died Nov. 19, 1888
A native of Glenmore, Kilkenny Co., Ireland
May his soul rest in Peace.
A husband kind, a father dear, a faithful friend lies buried here.We mourn his loss while here we stay but hope to meet in bliss someday. The photo of Edward Gorman is from Findagrave and was added by Patrick Gorman and he provided the transcription of the marker to Danny Dowling.
Richard Gorman (1835-1914) Native of Ballycroney, Glenmore
Richard Gorman (1835-1914) was the youngest child of Michael Gorman and his wife Mary Cody. It appears that he married twice. His first wife was Catherine Flynn (c. 1844-1884). We located a marriage between a Richard Gorman and Catherine Flynn held on 18 Sept. 1865 at Killea, Co. Waterford (near Dunmore East).
The 1880 US Census for Marshall, La Prairie Co., Illinois reveals that Richard and Catherine were farming and their son Michael Gorman (1870-1956) was 7 having been born in Illinois. Both Richard and Catherine noted that they could not read or write. A farm labourer named William Gorman, aged 16, was living with the family. William was born in Illinois, but both of his parents were born in Ireland.
Catherine Gorman née Flynn died on 29 April 1884 at Camp Grove, Marshal, Illinois. She is buried in St. Patrick’s Cemetery. See Findagrave. A few years later Richard married his second wife, Bridget Grant, who also may have been a native of Glenmore.
Per the 1900 US Census for Lee, Harmon Co., Illinois, Richard emigrated in 1867 and his second wife, Bridget Grant (c. 1845-1921) emigrated in 1885. In 1900, Richard was 61 and his Bridget was 54. His son Michael Gorman was 27 (b. Dec. 1872 in Illinois) and his daughter Nellie (1888-1965) was 11.
Richard died on 14 August 1914 in Wyoming, Stark County, Illinois. He is buried in St. Dominic’s Cemetery, Wyoming, Illinois with his second wife, Bridget Gorman née Grant. See, Findagrave.
Please send any corrections, additional information or photos to glenmore.history@gmail.com . Special thanks to Willie Holden for the information on Ballycroney and to Patrick Gorman of Illinois who provided his excellent family research and photos to Danny Dowling.
The featured photo above is an old postcard of Peoria, Illinois.
Dr. Kathleen Moore Walsh
The McDonald Family of Ballyfacey, Glenmore
Today, we are going to feature the McDonald family of Ballyfacey, Glenmore. Tracing members of this family proved difficult because the name has been spelled in numerous ways from McDonald to Macdonell. Special thanks to McDonald descendants Perri Williams and Sean McCarthy as well as Barbara Barden O’Donahue for the information they shared regarding their research. The McDonald family of Ballyfacey provides an excellent example of how members of large Glenmore families sought opportunities in Glenmore, adjacent parishes and on foreign shores.
Earliest McDonald’s in Ballyfacey, Glenmore
Glenmore was until the middle of the 19th century part of the parish of Slieverue. We are lucky that the parish records started in the mid-18th century survive. Thus, we know that Patrick McDaniel (sic) and his wife Joane Murry were the parents of at least two children baptized at “Old Ballyfacey:” Margaret McDaniel (bapt. 4 Oct. 1769) and Catherine Macdaniel (sic) (bapt. 26 Aug. 1772).
A record of a wedding on 18 February 1798 was found in the Slieverue parish records where Margaret Macdonnell (sic) “Old Ballyfacey” married John Bardin of Lismategue, Knocktopher.
The parish records provide that other McDonald children were born during this era: in Kilbride, Glenmore (Patrick, bapt. 26 Nov.1776, son of Edmond O’Danniel and Margaret Joanes); and in Mullinahone, Glenmore (Anstice, bapt. 31 July 1771, daughter of Edmund Mackdaniel (sic) and Margaret Grant).
In the 1830 Tithe Applotment Books for Lower Bally Facey (sic) John McDaniel was the lessee 22 acres plus leased about 100 acres in the townland in common with others.
The Last McDonald’s in Ballyfacey, Glenmore
The last McDonalds in Ballyfacey were two bachelor brothers. James “Jimmy Mac” McDonald (26 June 1909-21 Sept. 1990) and Patrick “Pat Mac” McDonald (11 Sept. 1918-22 March 1986). Both are buried in Glenmore with their parents Patrick McDonald (c. 16 Mar. 1868-14 Dec. 1952) and Margaret McDonald née Henneberry (22 June 1875-10 Dec. 1957).
Their mother, Margaret was baptized in Jamestown, Glenmore, to Patrick Henneberry and his wife Bridget Joice(sic) [Joyce] on 18 June 1875. Their father, Patrick Macdonald (sic)(c. 1868-1952) was baptized at Ballyfacey on 16 March 1868. He was the son of Thomas Macdonald, of Ballyfacey, and his second wife Anastatia Neill, of Mullinavat.
Margaret Hennebery (1875-1957) of Jamestown, married Patrick Macdonald (sic) of Ballyfacey at Glenmore on 22 November 1904. The groom’s father was recorded as Thomas Macdonald (deceased, farmer) and the bride’s father was Patrick Henneberry (farmer).
Patrick McDonald (1868-1952) and Magaret McDonald née Henneberry (1875-1957) had 9 known children.
[1] Thomas McDonald (c. 1906-1953) never married and died at the age of 46 at Ballyfacey after a 2 year illness. His death cert lists angina pectoris as his cause of death. His brother James was present when Thomas died on 20 February 1953. A short death notice was located in the Munster Express ( Fri. 13 Feb. 1953, p. 12). “The death occurred rather unexpectedly at his residence, Ballyfacey, Glenmore, on Tuesday last, of Mr. Thomas McDonald, at the age of 44. He was eldest son of Mrs. and the late Mr. Patrick McDonald, and was a prominent footballer and hurler with his native parish, as well as being a founder member of Glenmore’s Ploughing Association.”
[2] Anastatia McDonald (1908) married O’Sullivan of Ballyhale.
[3] James “Jimmy Mac” McDonald (1909-1990) never married.
[4] Bridget McDonald (1910-1 Nov. 1991) married John Kennedy (c. 1908-1970) of Ballinclare, Glenmore. The couple farmed at Ballinclare and raised 7 known children.
[5] Patrick “Pat Mac” McDonald (1918-1986) never married.
[6] Catherine “Katie” McDonald (23 July 1918—30 Mar. 2013) married Paddy Cororan (c. 1912 -1970) of Mullinahone. The couple had no children.
[7] Mary “May” McDonald (b. 11 May 1914) married Quinn of Ballyhale.
[8] Margaret McDonald (b. 31 Aug 1915) married at Glenmore in 1941, Thomas Fitzgerald of Glynn, Tullogher.
[9] John McDonald (b. 2 Feb. 1920) was married and resided in Ferrybank.
After Jimmy Mac died in 1990 the McDonald farm of Ballyfacey passed to his nephew Tom Fitzgerald.
The Previous Generation: The Two Families of Thomas McDonald
Thomas McDonald (c. 1808-1889) and Judith/Johanna Denieffe/Neiff (c. 1826-after 1857)
On 3 November 1852 at Glenmore, Judith Deniefe married John MacDonnell (sic). Although the father of the bride and groom are not recorded we believe Judith Deniefe was baptized at Bally Verea (sic) Glenmore on 9 August 1826, the daughter of John Deneff and Honor Donovan.
The Glenmore Deneiffes
John Deneef (sic) married Honor Donnevan (sic) on 8 February 1824 at Glenmore. They are recorded as residing at Ballivera. The note on the register records they were second cousins. There were several John Kneefe’s in Glenmore in the early 19th century. Only one was born in Ballyveria. John Kneefe (sic) was baptized at Ballyverera on 10 July 1794 the son of Edmund Kneefe and Johanna Tromulty. (An earlier son bore the name John and was baptized 5 June 1792). There are multiple Honor Donovans in Glenmore, but only one was born at Ballyverera (sic) before the wedding. Honor Donovan was baptized 23 February 1795, at Ballyveria, Glenmore, the daughter of James Donovan and Mary Kennedy.
The Children from Thomas McDonald’s (c. 1808-1889) First Marriage
[1] Catherine Macdonald (bapt. 13 Nov. 1853-1931) was born at Ballyfacey. Family lore provides that Catherine emigrated to the US at the age of 9, soon after her mother died. She was with her sister Mary who was only 7. We did find a record that Cath McDonald, age 11 arrived in New York on 11 June 1866 aboard The Royal Standard. She was traveling with Bridget MacDonald (servant) aged 22; Patrick MacDonald (labourer) aged 20. It is not clear who Patrick and Bridget were.
Catherine McDonald married John Stack (1855-1923) on 10 June 1884 in Peoria, Illinois. John was a native of Knox County, Illinois and worked as an engineer on the railroad. The couple lived and raised their family in Peoria, Illinois. When Catherine died her obituary appeared in the Munster Express and her funeral was conducted by Msgr. Patrick O’Connor Culleton (1877—1960) a native of Kilbride, Glenmore. Catherine’s obituary from the Munster Express may be found on our S Surname page. For more information on Msgr. Culleton see our post of 26 August 2024.
[2] Mary Macdonald (bapt. 13 June 1855-16 Sept. 1937) was born at Ballyfacey. While it is correct that Mary emigrated to Peoria, Illinois she did not go out with her sister. Mary never married, and worked as a domestic in Peoria. Sometime before 1913 she moved from Illinois to Pasadena, California to work as a housekeeper for a priest. According to the naturalization petition she filed in Los Angeles on the 26th of September 1913 she was born at Glenmore on 22 June 1859 (which is not correct according to her baptismal record.) She stated that she emigrated in May 1870 to New York on board a ship from Queenstown called the Queen. No record could be located.
[3] John Macdonald (bapt. 19 April 1857—3 Oct. 1906) was born at Ballyfacey. John McDonald was sent to Kilivory, Glenmore where his Aunt Brigid and her husband had a small holding. His aunt and uncle were childless. John married Honor Fitzgerald, of Newtown, at Glenmore on 25 June 1879. The Civil Mariage Registry provides the fathers were Thomas Macdonald (farmer) and Patrick Fitzgerald (farmer). Two daughters were born to the couple Johanna McDonald (1881-1955) and Catherine “Kate” McDonald (1883-1958). Kate McDonald was a well-known Glenmore dressmaker.
John McDonald died 3 October 1906 . At the time of his death his profession was labourer, he was married and aged 48. He died “probably of bronchitis” without any medical attention. His daughter Johannah was present at his death in Kilmakevogue.
Thomas McDonald (c. 1808-1889) and Anastatia O’Neill (c. 1837-1902?) of Garrandara, Mullinavat
Thomas McDonald (c. 1808–1889) married his second wife, Anastatia O’Neill (c. 1837-1902?) on 4 February 1863 at Mullinavat. Their fathers names are not recorded in the records nor is the fact that Thomas was a widower.
The Children from Thomas McDonald’s (c. 1808-1889) Second Marriage
[1] Margaret Macdonald (21 April 1864-1939) of Ballyfasy (sic) married John Williams (1867) (farmer) of Miltown, Kilmacow, at Glenmore on 18 February 1896. The marriage records provide that their fathers were William Williams and Thomas Macdonald. John Williams was born 14 November 1867 to William Williams and his wife Ellen Gaul of Miltown, Kilmacow.
[2] Rev. James J. McDonald (1866-1902). We hope to do a post on Fr. McDonald, and are awaiting requested information from the Diocese of St. Paul, Minnesota, where Father McDonald ministered and died.
[3] Patrick McDonald (1868-1952). As outlined above, Patrick married Magaret Henneberry (1875-1957) in 1904. They farmed the McDonald farm of Ballyfacey, and it was passed on to their son James “Jimmy Mac” McDonald (1909-1990). Patrick McDonald visited his brother James in the US in 1900 and appears to have visited his kin in Peoria, Illinois.
[4] Bridget McDonald (b. 1870) when 29 married Philip Walsh, of Ballyfacey (farmer, aged 32) on 6 March 1905. Their fathers were Richard Walsh (c.1821-1893) and Thomas McDonald. Richard Walsh (c. 1821-1893) was married to Margaret Murphy (c. 1831-1894). It is believed that Bridget McDonald & Philip Walsh only had one child Richard Walsh (c. 1913-1988) who married Kathleen Mullins (c. 1915-1985) of Flemingstown. Bridget McDonald and Philip Walsh were the paternal grandparents of the current Andy Walsh of Ballyfacey.
[5] Thomas McDonald (1874-1958) was born 17 February 1874 at Ballyfacey the son of Thomas Macdonald (farmer) and Anastatia Neill. Margaret Neill, of Garrandara, was present at his birth and registered the birth on 6 March 1874. As a young man Thomas was sent to Garrandara to work the Neill farm where his mother came from. According to his obituary Thomas was a footballer for his native Glenmore. Thomas McDonald (farmer) of Garrandarra married on 30 April 1918, Mary Henebery (c.1884-1953) of Buckstown at Mullinavat. The father of the groom was Thomas McDonald (farmer) and the father of the bride was James Henebery (farmer). Witness were Wm. Williams and Brigid Knox.
Mary McDonald née Henebery died on 16 September 1953 of myocardial degeneration. She was ill for 18 months. Five years later Thomas died. A copy of Thomas McDonald’s complete obituary can be found on our M Family Surname page.
The Deaths of Thomas McDonald (c. 1808—1889) & Anastatia McDonald née O’Neil (c. 1837-1902?)
Thomas McDonald (c. 1808-1889) died 11 October 1889 at Balllyfacey at the age of 81. He died of senile decay “gradual” and he received no medical attention. His sister-in-law, Margaret O’Neill, was present at his death. His second wife, Anastatia, died we believe in 1902 under the name Statia McDonald, aged 65. Unfortunately, the link to the death register is corrupted, so no further information was available at this time.
The last official record we could locate was the 1901 Census which provides that at Ballyfacey, Anastatia McDonnell (sic) was 65, a widow and head of the household. Her sister, Maggie Neill was 38, her daughter Bridget was 26 and single. Thomas McDonnell, her son was 24 and single. Also present was William Williams, her grandson, aged 4, and Patrick Murphy, aged 24, a servant, tailor, who was “deaf and dumb.”
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Please send any corrections, additional information or photos to glenmore.history@gmail.com.
The feature photo above was shared by Sean McCarthy, the date of the photo is unknown, but it had to be taken prior to 1953. Photo back row left to right: Sean’s grandmother, Mary “Mollie” McDonald née Henneberry (c. 1884-1953), his mother Anna McCarthy née McDonald, William Williams (of Milltown, Kilmacow)(nephew of Thomas McDonald) the next lady he thinks is Margaret Williams née McDonald (William’s mother). His grandfather Thomas McDonald (1874-1958) is seated holding the child. Sean is not certain regarding the identity of the others in the photo. If anyone can identify the children or the nun please send on their names.
Dr. Kathleen Moore Walsh