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Rochestown, Glenmore (1961)
Today, we are going to feature information Danny Dowling (1927-2021) recorded regarding the residents of the townland of Rochestown in 1961. Rochestown is the largest townland in the parish of Glenmore and in some early records it was spelled as Roachestown. Some of the current residents of Rochestown can find their surnames in the earliest records of the townland.
Background
The Irish for this townland, according to O’Kelly’s, The Place Names of the County of Kilkenny Ireland (1969, p. 114) is Baile na cille, place of the church. The townland is comprised of 890 acres. “Ballynakill is now a subdivision; another subdivision is Ballyilogue, i.e. Baile Ui Laodhog, O’Logue’s homestead. The site of Teampall Fhinnin, Finian of Clonard according to the Ordnance Survey Letters, is on the road north of Rochestown village in a field called Garrai Mhichil Dhuibh, black Michael’s garden. The castle site is near the road south of the village and there is also a Rochestown West village or hamlet. There is a hill called Cnoc an roithleain, hill of the wheel (probably a spinning wheel) and open-air Mass was celebrated at a site called Ath an roithleain, ford of the wheel. Other fields are Ban ard; Ban dearg; Carraig mheanach, the middle rock; Culach cisighe, angle land of the improvised road, and Siolfuar (O).” It is believed that Siolfuar is cold seed.
According to Dany Dowling (1927-2021) during the Black Plague some of the people of Rochestown hamlet near Veriker’s Cross (river road from Aylwardstown to Ringville where it intersects with the lane from Rathinure) moved west to Ballylogue. Martin Walsh’s (c. 1918-1996) mother, Ellie Walsh née Gahan (1884-1965) referred to the area around the cross as Shean bhaile (old town) and Ballylogue as new town.
Tithe Applotment Books (1829)
The landlord was Pierce Edmond Forestall, Esq. (the handwriting makes the name look like Pierc C. Forslau). There were 22 tenants recorded on 20 plots of land, but there is no way of knowing the exact number of tenants as the same name appears on different plots. All the acres below are statute acres.
Plot 73 included (1) James Donovan; (2) Tomas Haberlin & (3) Thomas Walsh, with 60 acres; Plot 74 (4) Thomas Walsh, 115 acres; Plot 75 (5) Laurence Forastall, 41 acres; Plot 76 (6) Richard Gahan, 106 acres; Plot 77 (7) John Kelly, 57 acres; Plot 78 (7) John Walsh, 34 acres; Plot 79 (8) Richard Walsh, 2 acres; Plot 80 (9) Thomas Forastall, 20 acres; Plot 81 (10) Patt Gahan, 50 acres; Plot 82 (11) John Forastall, 20 acres; Plot 83 (12) James Forastall, 12 acres; Plot 84 (13) John Vericar, 23 acres; Plot 85 (14) Patt Kelly, 34 acres; Plot 86 (15) James Fitzgerald, 41 acres; Plot 87 (16) Edward Dollard, 36 acres Plot 88 (17) Patt Doyle, 5 acres; Plot 89 (18) Thomas Gahan & (19) Richard Forastall, 7 acres; Plot 90 (20) Martin Denn, 2 acres; Plot 91 (21) Patt Neill, 1 acres; Plot 92 held by the landlord, 19 acres and Plot 93 (22) Laurence Ennis, 37 acres.
See our post of 6 November 2022 regarding the killing of Catherine Hanrahan née Power of Rochestown in July 1822.
Griffith’s Valuation (1847-1864)
The landlord for Rochestown was primarily Benjamin Conn, Esq. Other landlords included Edmund Forstall, Esq. and Miss Julia Sweetman. There are 34 plots recorded for Rochestown. This list provides a fascinating account of how tenancies were often shingled with the landowner leasing or renting to one person who in turn sub-let or rented part of the holding to others. The following tenants are listed and an effort was made in the record to distinguish the various tenants with same or similar names.
- Thomas Walsh (Tom) 41 acres and on this land were Ann Ryan who had a house & small garden (free) house worth 5s; John Ryan who rented from Thomas Walsh (Tom) a house worth 7s. and (3) John Terry who had a house and office free worth 6s.
- Thomas Walsh (Tom) also rented 14 acres from Miss Julia Sweetman and sublet a house and garden to George Young. Young’s house was valued at 2 s.
- Joseph Gahan and John Gahan, Jr. each held 22 acres belonging to Benjamin Conn, Esq. Joseph’s house was valued at 6s. and John Jr. house was valued at 4 s.
- John Gahan, Jr. and Joseph Gahan also rented 56 acres from Miss Sweetman. Sub-tenants for John Gahan Jr. included John Haberlin who had a house valued at 5s.; James Kirby, Sr. who also had a house valued at 5s. and Peter Kirby who had a house valued at 2s. Joseph Gahan leased a house to George Young valued at 5s.
- James Walsh leased 102 acres, a house and offices from Conn. His house was valued at £7. Walsh sub-let to Thomas Neill a house valued at 5s. and to Michael Henneberry a house valued at 8s.
- James Walsh leased 11 acres from Miss Sweetman.
- James Walsh and John Dollard leased 8 acres from Conn.
- John Dollard leased a house, offices, and 34 acres from Conn. The buildings were valued at £3 15s.
- Ellen Kelly leased a house, offices and 44 acres from Conn. Her house was valued at £2. John Haberlin had a forge on plot 9 that he leased from James Walsh. It was valued at 6s.
- John Forrestal (Poer) leased a house, office and 40 acres from Conn. The buildings were valued at £4 15s.
- John Gahan (Waria) and Patrick Gahan leased a house, offices and 43 acres from Conn. They sublet a house and office to Paul Landrigan valued at £1.
- Patrick Gahan and partners leased 2 acres of wasteland from Conn. The land had no recorded value.
- Patrick Henneberry leased a house and 1 acre of land from James Walsh.
- Bridget Forrestal leased 6 acres from Conn.
- Bridget Forrestal leased a house, offices and 14 acres of land from Edmund Forstall, Esq. Her house was valued at £1 15s. Edmund Holden also leased from Forstall a house & garden valued at 9s. and Mary Cashin had a house leased from Forstall valued at 5s.
- Edmund Forstall, Esq. owned plot 16 which consisted of a house, offices and 146 acres of land. His buildings were valued at £20. On plot 16 Forstall leased a house and gardens worth 12s.. to James Forrestal (Dick). He also had another house with offices worth £3 that was vacant. Forstall owned a salmon weir valued at £10 and leased to Richard Malone a house and gardens valued at £1 13s.
- Forstall rented a couple of acres to Thomas Aylward.
- Thomas Aylward leased a house, offices and 24 acres from Forstall. His house was worth £2 10s. James Aylward leased a house worth 8s. from Forstall. Patrick Kelly leased a house and small garden from Thomas Aylward valued at 10s.
- James Forstall, Jr. leased from Edmund Forstall, Esq. a house, offices and 18 acres. The house was valued at £2 10s. Thomas Greene rented a house from James Forstall, Jr. valued at 8s.
- James Forrestal, Jr. leased from Conn 3 acres
- John Vereker leased from Forstall a house, offices and 20 acres. The house was valued at £2 10s.
- John Vereker leased 3 acres from Conn.
- Denis Magrath had a house, offices, and 68 acres. His landlord was Conn. The house was valued at £2.
- Edmund Ryan rented 1 acre from Forstall.
- John Forrestal, Jr. leased a house, offices and 2 acres from Forstall. The house was valued at £1 10s.
- John Fitzgerald rented a house and 2 acres from James Walsh. The house was valued at £1. Michael Kirby rented a house and garden from Forstall valued at 14s.
- Conn held 37 acres in this plot. Richard Walsh leased a house and offices (valued at £2 10s.) Catherine Manion and Mary Donovan leased houses from Conn each were valued at 5s.
- Thomas Walsh (Jack) rented from Conn a house, offices and 29 acres. James Kirby, Jr. rented a house and garden from Joseph Gahan valued at 15s.
- James Costello leased a house, offices and 1 acre. The house was valued at £1.
- Morgan Denn leased a house, office, 2 acres and a salmon weir from Forstall. The house and the weir were valued at £1 1os. each.
- Thomas Gahan leased 3 acres from Joseph and John Gahan, Jr.
- Thomas Gahan rented from Miss Sweetman a house, offices and 6 acres. The house was valued at £1 15s.
- James Duggan rented a house with 1 acre from Miss Sweetman. The house was valued at 10s.
- John Doyle leased a house, office and 5 acres from Miss Sweetman. The house was valued at £1 12s.
For further information on Pierce Edmond Forstall Esq. and the Conn family see, Martin Forristal (2019) “Mount Ida.” See also our post of 7 October 2023, “An Old Anglo-Norman Glenmore Family: The Forrestalls.”
ROCHESTOWN (1961)
In 1961, Danny recorded 16 families or households in the townland of Rochestown. Birth dates or birth years are provided for some of the older residents gleaned from available public records. For some time after drafting his notebook, Danny recorded the dates of death or simply recorded that a resident had died or left the townland.
Danny’s recorded information reveals that in 1961, 62 people resided in the townland of Rochestown with the population comprised of 33 males and 29 females. The largest household was the Heffernan family with 8 persons in their household. There were 2 households recorded with a single person living alone in each house. Information under residents of Rochestown not in Danny’s original list has been placed in square brackets [ ].
Recorded Rochestown, Glenmore Residents (1961)
Males= 33
Females= 29
Eldest Recorded Resident
The eldest resident recorded by Danny in Rochestown, Glenmore was Alice Walsh née Doherty (1875-1962) who was 86 in 1961. Alice was the daughter of Richard Doherty and his wife Mary Merigan of Milltown, Glenmore. Alice was baptised the 3rd of February 1875, yet her birth cert provides that her birthdate was the 15th of April. Her father registered her birth on the 5th of May and obviously gave her birthdate in April to avoid being fined for the late registration. James and Alice were married on 23 August 1904 in Trinity Without, Ballybricken, Waterford. James was living on Morris Road and Alice was resident on Presentation Row. James was the son of James Walsh and his wife Mary Power of Rochestown. Their witnesses were Martin Walsh and Johanna Doherty.
Recorded Work
Farmers= 7 (6 Males; 1 Female)
Farm Workers = 8 ( 8 Males; 0 Females)
Clover Meats 8 = ( 6 Males; 2 Females)
Secondary School Teacher = 1 (0 Males; 1 Female)
Retired Labourer= 1 (1 Male; 0 Females)
Fisherman= 1 (1 Males; 0 Females)
Rochestown, Glenmore Residents 1961
[1] FORRISTAL
Forristal, William (21 Dec. 1915, Clover Meats [Billy Forristal was the first Glenmore person I met in October 1991. He was a fountain of information and for years wrote the Glenmore column for local newspapers.]
Forristal, Bridget (b. 1921) wife
Forristal, Alice, daughter, secondary school teacher
Forristal, John, son
[2] WALSH
Walsh, James (27 July 1877) Farmer dead [died 7 April 1963 in Waterford]
Walsh, Alice [née Doherty] (1 Feb. 1875) wife, died 5 August 1962 [death register reveals her granddaughter Alice Walsh née Wash of Scartnamore, Glenmore was with her]
Walsh, James Patrick, grandson, assisting relative
Walsh, Rosaleen, granddaughter
[3] FORRISTAL
Forristal, John (b. 17 March 1887) Farmer
Forristal, Ellen (b. 1 April 1883) sister
Forristal, Mary (b. 3 April 1881) sister
Ennett, John (b. 1911) nephew-in-law, assisting relative
Ennett, Bridget (b. 1921) niece [née Walsh]
Walsh, Mary (May) (b. 1919) niece

[4] WALSH
Walsh, Ellen (17 Oct. 1883-1965) Farmer
Walsh, Joseph (b. 1914) son, assisting relative
Walsh, Kathleen (b. 1916) daughter
Walsh, Martin [25 Dec. 1918-6 Jan. 1996] son, assisting relative
[5] CONNOLLY
Connolly, Philip (b. 13 Oct. 1891)
Connolly, Edward (b. 14 April 1908) brother, Clover Meats
[These brothers were the last to live in their family home in Ballylogue, Rochestown, Glenmore.] The featured photo above was taken in 2021 when vegetation was removed from around the long house.]
[6] DELAHUNTY
Delahunty, Patrick, (b. 21 June 1911), Farm Labourer
[7] MAGUIRE
Maguire, Catherine (b. 20 April 1890) dead
Maguire, Elizabeth (b. 1925) daughter
Maguire, Patrick, grandson
[8] AYWARD
Aylward, James [Sonny] (4 June 1900-23 April 1962) Farmer
Aylward, Bridget (b. 1902)
Harney, Michael, son-in-law
Harney, Ellen, daughter

[9] DILLON
Dillon, Catherine (b. 28 Oct. 1896)
Dillon, Patrick (b. 1916) son, Clover Meats
Haberlin, Richard, grandson, scholar
[See our post of 27 March 2021 regarding daughter Ciss Dillon (1919-1997) and her WWII work .]
[10] RYAN
Ryan, Philip (b. 17 Oct. 1886) Farm Labourer
[11] KIRWAN
Kirwan, Thomas (b. 7 July 1898) Farm Labourer
Kirwan, Ellen (b. 5 Sept. 1898) wife
Kirwan, William, son, Clover Meats
Kirwan, Alice, daughter, Clover Meats
[12] GRAHAM
Graham, John (b. 1901) Clover Meats
Graham, Mary Ann (b. 1916) wife
Graham, Thomas, son, child
[13] HEFFERNAN
Heffernan, Patrick (b. 1924) Farmer
Heffernan, Anastatia, wife
Heffernan, Mary C., daughter
Heffernan, Catherine, daughter
Heffernan, William, son
Heffernan, Edward, son
Heffernan, Maria Bernadette, daughter
Finn, Patrick, farm labourer
[14] AYLWARD
Aylward, James (b. 1929) Farmer
Aylward, Mary, wife
Aylward, Margaret (b. 1900) mother
Aylward, Mary, sister
Aylward Eileen, sister, Clover Meats
[15] KEOGH
Keogh, John (b. 1916) Farmer
Keogh, Margaret, wife
Keogh, Martin, son
Keogh, Sean, son
Keogh, Eamonn, son
Keogh, Bridget, daughter
Keogh, Margaret, sister
[16] FORRISTAL
Forristal, Michael, Retired Labourer
Forristal, Peter, son, fisherman
Forristal, Michael, son, Clover Meats
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Please send any corrections, further information or photos to glenmore.history@gmail.com.
Dr. Kathleen Moore Walsh
A Photo of JFK’s 1963 New Ross Visit
On 19 March 2023 we published a post concerning the Gahan family of Newtown, Glenmore and featured Peter Gahan (1888-1958) who left Glenmore to work in New Ross. Eventually, Peter Gahan established two businesses in New Ross, married and raised a family. This week we received an email from Peter Gahan’s grandson, who is also named Peter Gahan. Peter corrected a few errors in our original post and forwarded the iconic photo that hung in the Gahan pub on Priory Steet, New Ross. Here is a link to the updated original post of 19 March 2023.
The Iconic Photo
There were a lot of photos taken of President John F. Kennedy (1919-1963) in New Ross during his 1963 visit. The photo forwarded by Peter depicts the easily recognisable JFK standing in his car. Over his right shoulder, looking down on the presidential motorcade from her premises on Priory St., New Ross, is Peter’s grandmother, Mary Teresa “Tess” Gahan née Sheehy (c. 1887-1963). We were unable to find the photo in the New Ross Standard. However, we know that JFK visited New Ross on 27 June 1963.
The Presidential Schedule
Sixty years ago, the presidential schedule was published prior to his visit to Ireland. Per the Irish Independent (Thur. 17 June 1963, p. 16) the presidential schedule for New Ross was:
9:30 Meets the Taoiseah (Dublin)
10:30 Departs by helicopter for New Ross
11:15 Arrives O’Kennedy Park, New Ross. Leaves Park by Car for New Ross Quay.
11:30 Addresses crowd at New Ross Quay. [For a 3 minute audio of JFK’s remarks courtesy of the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum click here.
12:00 Leaves by car for Dunganstown (For further information & photos of JFK’s visit to his ancestoral home visit the Kennedy Homestead site).
12:15 Arrives Dunganstown for visit to house of great-grandfather and meeting with cousins.
Time & Place of Photo
President Kennedy was 15 minutes late in arriving at the GAA’s O’Kennedy Park, New Ross. On the pitch was painted the word FAILTE (welcome) in 20 foot white letters. The President travelled in “his own special car through the gaily decorated streets” of New Ross. After addressing the crowds on the Quay, President Kennedy upset his schedule further by walking around and speaking with people in the large crowd. (New Ross Standard, Fri. 28 June 1963, p. 10).
Thus, given the presidential schedule, the location of the various places referenced and the roads of that time, we know that the presidential motorcade left the New Ross Quay sometime after noon on the 27th of June 1963 and proceeded down Priory St. toward Dunganstown. The photo was taken as the motorcade passed Gahan’s pub on Priory St.
Deaths
Tragically, JFK was assassinated in Dallas, Texas on 22 November 1963. Less than a month later, on 16 December 1963, the lady photographed over his right shoulder, Mary Teresa “Tess” Gahan, also died tragically in a fire on Priory St., New Ross.
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Special thanks to Peter Gahan for sending on the photograph and correcting the original post.
Does anyone know the identity of the child and woman photographed in the window above JFK’s left shoulder?
Please send any corrections, additional information or photos to glenmore.history@gmail.com.
Dr. Kathleen Moore Walsh
Scartnamore, Glenmore (1961)
Today, we are going to feature information Danny Dowling (1927-2021) recorded regarding the residents of the townland of Scartnamore, Glenmore, in 1961. This townland has been spelled multiple ways over the past two centuries.
Background
The Irish for this townland, according to O’Kelly’s, The Place Names of the County of Kilkenny Ireland (1969, p. 114) is “Scairtnamoe, Scairt na mbo, the cows thicket. Area 76 acres. Fields are the long cas, a quagmire; Leamhog(O), and Muine gharbh, a rough brake.”
Tithe Applotment Books 1829
In the Tithe Applotment Books the townland is spelled Scartnamo. The owner of the townland was David O’Neil Power, Esq. See our post of 22 December 2022 for further details on this prominent 19th century Glenmore landlord. There were two occupiers who were tenants of 72 statute acres, namely; Patrick Rochford and Michael Kerwin.
Griffith’s Valuation, 1847-1869
Griffith’s Valuation in Co. Kilkenny was completed on 8 July 1853. At that time David O’Neill Power was still the landlord of the townland of Scartnamore, Glenmore and Patrick Rochford and Michael Kirwan were the main tenants.
Michael Kirwan held a house, offices and 33 acres of land. Michael Kirwan’s land holding was valued at £27 10s, while his buildings were valued at £3 15s.
Patrick Rochford held a house, offices and 42 acres of land. The buildings were valued at £4 10 s. while his land was valued at £36 10s. Additionally, Patrick Rochford leased a house to Michael Ryan that was valued at £1. The total acres recorded for this townland was 76 acres.
Dispute Regarding Place of Ancient Monument
Up until about 1820, near the meres of the townlands of Scartnamore and Carriganurra, the ruins of the house of an Ridire Deaghach (Knight of O’Dea) could be seen. The O’Dea or O’Day family was highly respectable in Ida down to the time of Cromwell. The head of the family was locally called An Ridire Deaghach. (Kilkenny Moderator, Wed. 2 Aug 1893, p. 4).
In 1923, after the Munster Express began publishing extracts from Carrigan’s History of the Diocese of Ossory, J. O’Donovan of Ballyrouragh, Slieverue wrote to the editor of the Munster Express. J. O’Donovan took exception to a passage where Carrigan concluded that the noted historian John O’Donovan (and his ancestor) was wrong about where an ancient monument was located in Glenmore parish. He asserted that John O’Donovan was in a better position to know or identify the Leachih Ee Deaw than Dr. Carrigan because O’Donovan was a native of the area. Leachth Ee Deaw was placed in Scartnamoe (sic) by John O’Donovan in a corner of Roche’s field, but placed across from the Half-way House in Aylwardstown by Carrigan (Munster Express, Sat. 9 June 1923, p. 3).
1961 Scartnamore, Glenmore
In 1961, Danny recorded three families or households in the townland of Scartnamore. Birthdates or birth years are provided for some of the older residents gleaned from available public records. For some time after drafting his notebook, Danny recorded the dates of death or simply recorded that a resident had died or left the townland. Danny did not record any death dates for his list of Scartnamore residents.
Danny’s recorded information reveals that in 1961, 15 people resided in the townland of Scartnamore with the population comprised of 10 males and 5 females. The largest households were two families with 5 persons in their house, the Kirwan and O’Shea families. There were 2 households recorded with a single person living alone in each house. Information under residents of Scartnamore not in Danny’s original list has been placed in square brackets [ ].
Recorded Scartnamore, Glenmore Residents (1961)
Males= 10
Females= 5
Eldest Recorded Resident
The eldest resident recorded by Danny in Scartnamore, Glenmore was John Connolly (13 Sept. 1889- 22 July 1972) a retired farmer living with his daughter Mary O’Shea and her family. John Connolly was about 72 years of age in 1961.
John Connolly and Brigid Roche
John Connolly married Brigid Roche (1894-1955) on 28 November 1917 at Glenmore. At the time of their marriage John was a labourer residing in Rochestown and Brigid was a servant residing in Scartnamore. John was the son of James Connolly (labourer), but no father was listed in the civil marriage record for Bridget. The witnesses were Walter Walsh and Bridget Roche. The fact that the bride and the witness had the same name highlights why nic-names were necessary.
John and Brigid Connolly had a large family that they reared in Scartnmore. We have though obituaries been able to identify 10 children. Several of the children per John’s obituary were living in the UK. One daughter Kathleen (1931-2014) entered religious life and became Sr. Miranda of the Sisters of St. Joseph of the Apparition. Sr. Miranda served in Africa and her last assignment was to St. Louis Hospital, Jerusalem where she cared for terminally ill cancer patients (Fr. Michael Mernagh, Glenmore Times (2000) p. 44). Sr. Miranda died on 4 September 2014 in Jerusalem where she is buried (Family headstone Glenmore).
John Connoly became a widower when Brigid died on 12 November 1955 at the age of 63. John Connolly died on the 22nd of July 1972 and his eldest son James died two days later. The joint obituary for John Connolly and his son, James (1918 -1972) is available on our “C” Glenmore Family Surname Page.
The ”Bill” Roches of Scartnamore
It is believed that Bridget Roche was one of the “Bill” Roches of Scartnamore. Bridget Roche was born on 1 April 1894 the daughter of Mary Roche, of Ballyhobuck, Glenmore. Ballyhobuck and Scartnamore are adjoining townlands.
“John Bill” Roche was married to one of the Faddie Kennedy’s of Rathinure. The couple farmed about 40 statute acres in Scartnamore where Jimmy Walsh currently lives. “John Bill” Roche and his wife had no children. John’s brother, “Dick Bill” Roche was a harmless man and lived with the couple and later with the Connolly’s. “Maizhe Bill” Roche was their sister, and she married a man named Kavanagh, and the Kavanagh’s lived on the High Road in Rathinure where Kathleen O’Connor lives. Maizhe is how Maura (nic-name for Mary) was pronounced in Glenmore, and it is believed that Maizhe was Bridget Connolly’ mother. Bridget Roche was known locally as Carty which may have been who locals believed her father to be.
Scartnamore, Glenmore Residents 1961
[1] KIRWAN
Kirwan, Laurence (1908-1979) Farmer [Died 7 January 1979]
Kirwan, Anne (1918-1982) Wife [Née Whittle died 30 June 1982.]
Kirwan, James, son
Kirwan, Noel (c. 1952- 1976) twin son [Died in a car crash 30 Oct. 1976 just aged 24.]
Kirwan, Thomas, twin son [See below on Glenmore Culture Night 2023].
[2] CONNOLY

Connolly, James (1918-1972) Farmer
[James “Jimmy” Connolly was the eldest son of John Connolly and his wife Brigid Roche. James Connolly never married and died two days after his father. He and his father were buried on the same day “side by side” in St. James’ Cemetery, Glenmore. See the “C” Glenmore Family Surname Page for the joint obituary of James and his father.]
[3] McDONALD
McDonald, Thomas (b. 1918) Farm Labourer
McDonald, Kate (b. 1919) wife
McDonald, Michael, son, Council Worker
[4] O’SHEA
O’Shea, Richard (b.c. 1926) Clover Meats
O’Shea, Mary (b. c. 1922) wife
O’Shea, Michael, son
O’Shea, Bridget, daughter
Connolly, John (13 Sept. 1889-) father-in-law, retired farmer [See above died on 22 July 1972.]
[5] HABERLIN
Haberlin, Annie (10 April 1897-24 Sept. 1968)
[Annie was a widow who died at the age of 73 in Waterford on 24 Sept. 1968. Her address on her death cert is Slieverue. A marriage record was located for Michael Haberlin and Anne Walsh for the 29th of November 1922. The couple were married in Ferrybank. Michael Haberlin (labourer) was residing in Kilmurry and the son of John Haberlin (labourer). Anne Walsh (domestic servant) was living in Prospect the daughter of Richard Walsh (farmer) of Kilaspy. Michael Haberlin died of an abscess on 30 September 1934 at the age of 37. Annie was left a widow at 36 years of age and remained a widow for 34 years until her death.]
Glenmore Culture Night
All who attended Glenmore’s first Culture Night on Friday, the 22nd of September 2023 were able to enjoy Tom Kirwan, a native of Scartnamore, playing his accordion as well as enjoy the other performers and dramatists. Glenmore History had a table of locally donated items such as a crock hot water bottle that amazed the inquisitive children. We also provided a sheet of tips and tricks to help people record their own memories/stories or their family history. It is hoped that Glenmore Culture Night becomes an annual event to encourage and show case local talent.
For further information on a talented Kirwan descendent see our post of 11 Sept. 2022 on Bernie Kirwan.
Please send any corrections, further information, or photos etc. to glenmore.history@gmail.com.
Dr. Kathleen Moore Walsh
Redgap, Glenmore (1961)
Today, we are going to feature information Danny Dowling (1927-2021) recorded regarding the two residents of Redgap in 1961, as well as other information he recorded regarding Redgap, the smallest townland in Glenmore.
Background
The Irish for this townland, according to O’Kelly’s, The Place Names of the County of Kilkenny Ireland (1969, p. 114) is Bearna dhearg, which means “a red gap”. Redgap is the smallest townland in Glenmore and is comprised of only 33 acres. That is the sum total of the information O’Kelly provides. Redgap is located on the edge of Glenmore parish in the civil parish of Kilcolumb. It borders Slieverue on the crescent of the Rochestown/Scart hills.
Tithe Applotment Books 1829
We were unable to find any reference to Redgap, in the Kilcolumb Civil Parish list of townlands in the Tithe Applotment Books. We believe that Redgap was an area within a larger townland. Given its proximity to Slieverue it may be the case that it was once part of the townland of Ballyrowragh and was separated from that townland when the Catholic parish of Glenmore was established in 1846. In the 20th century Redgap was usually identified as being part of Rochestown.
Oral Tradition Regarding Redgap, Glenmore
Philip Wallace (c. 1806-1883)
In 1956, Danny interviewed Matt Aylward of Ballyfacey, Glenmore (DD Notebook 4). Matt stated, “In the last century a man named Philip Wallace who lived in Redgap conducted a hedge school.” Matt recited and Danny recorded the following crude local verse in reference to Philip Wallace’s school—“Philip’s scholars against the wall, A pint of piss would drown them all.”
A couple of sayings Matt shared with Danny that Phillip Wallace used were “go that” pronounced “gow that” and “No moiseac (mozhic) on him” or “No worry on him.”
Phillip Wallis (sic) (c. 1806-1883) schoolmaster, died on 24 November 1883 at his home at Redgap at the age of 77. His wife, Ellen Wallis was present when he died. According to Glenmore Parish records, Phillip Wallace married Ellen Fitzpatrick of Rochestown on 1 March 1870. According to the marriage records, Philip was a bachelor, schoolmaster, and was the son of Luke Wallace, farmer. Ellen was a servant and the daughter of Patrick Fitzpatrick (labourer) of Rochestown. If Philip’s age at his death is correct, he was about 64 when he married.
The John O’Donovan Connection to Redgap, Glenmore

According to Martin Walsh (c. 1918- 1996) of Rochestown, Glenmore there were three “botháns” in the long, narrow, hilly field in Redgap (the field currently owned by John Hoynes). The small houses were at the sheltered side of the north facing ditch where the field is level. May Roche (c. 1918-2001) of Scart, Glenmore said that her father (John “Sal” Roche (c. 1861-1931) and aunt Allie (Alice) Roche (c. 1859 -1933) told her that there was once a small shop in Redgap (May gave this information to Michael Hoynes of Ballybrahee, Glenmore).
Michael Hoynes also recalled this week that May Roche (c. 1918-2001) stated that the great Irish scholar John O’Donovan (c. 1806-1861) was connected to Redgap. Michael went on to research this statement and found a biography of John O’Donovan written by Diarmaid Ó Catháin that provides the connection.
Leased Redgap
John O’Donovan’s father, Edmund, did well during the Napoleonic wars (c. 1803-1815). In 1816, he built a new house but due to circumstances he was forced to move. Edmund leased 33 acres in the adjacent townland of Redgap near where his brother Patrick O’Donovan (1753-1831) had a cornmill. At the same time John O’Donovan’s eldest brother, Michael (bapt. 1789) leased 40 acres in Ballyrowragh, Slieverue. John O’Donovan’s father died in 1817 and John appears to have gone to live with this brother. His uncle, Patrick, was an important influence on John. Patrick went to sea as a young man, was widely read in both English and Irish, and had a great interest in history and tradition. Irish was the primary language in the locality at the time.
Donovan’s Mill, Ballyrowragh, Slieverue
The corn mill at Ballyrowragh still stands, and today it is still called “Donovan’s Mill.” The Tithe Applotment Books, 1829, provides that Patrick Donovan held 9 acres in Ballyrowragh, Slieverue. Given that Redgap, Glenmore is only comprised of 33 acres it appears that Edmund O’Donovan leased the entire townland. See our post of 13 March 2021 for information on John O’Donovan’s work.
Griffith’s Valuation (1847-1864)
Supporting the local oral tradition, Griffith’s Valuation lists three households in Redgap: [1] Philip Wallace (house & 1 acre); [2] John Gahan & Joseph Gahan (house and 13 acres) and [3] John Roche (house, offices and 17 acres). It is assumed that the Gahan’s were uncles or great-uncles of Martin Walsh (his mother was Elly Gahan). It is also assumed that John Roche was May Roche’s grandfather.
1961 Redgap, Glenmore
In 1961, Danny recorded one family or household in the townland of Redgap. In 1961, there was a married couple living in Redgap, Edward “Ned” Baldwin and his wife, Ellen “Elly” Baldwin (1916-1988) née Ryan.
Recorded Redgap, Glenmore Residents (1961)
Male= 1
Female= 1
Eldest Redgap, Glenmore, Resident 1961
Edward “Ned” Baldwin (1903-1991)
The eldest resident recorded by Danny in 1961 in Redgap, Glenmore, was Edward “Neddy” Baldwin (30 May 1903- 26 May 1991). Edward Baldwin was born to John Baldwin (labourer) and his wife, Elizabeth Doyle. The address on the birth cert is Knockroe, Waterford. In his obituary it is stated that Edward was a native of Passage East. As a young man Ned was a member of the Defence forces. He was skilled in all aspects of mechanical farm equipment and worked for years for James Kelly of Aylwardstown. Please see our B Family surname page for Edward’s obituary.
Marriage
Edward Baldwin married Ellen Ryan on 26 April 1937 in the Cathedral of Waterford. Edward was a labourer living in Skeard, Kilmacow. He was the son of John Baldwin (farmer). Ellen was living in Glenmore the daughter of Michael Ryan, labourer. Given the fact that Redgap is often referred to as part of Rochestown we believe that Ned and Ellie moved to Redgap in 1947. According to the Munster Express (Friday 6 June 1947, p. 2) Edward Baldwin, of Ringville, was appointed tenant of cottage 190L, of Rochestown, formerly in the occupation of Martin Connolly.
Ellen “Ellie” Baldwin née Ryan (1916 -1988)
The second resident of Redgap, Glenmore in 1961 was Glenmore native Ellie Baldwin née Ryan. Ellie was born on 17 February 1916 at Kearneybay, Glenmore, the eldest child of Michael Ryan (labourer) and his wife Mary Manning. Her parents were married on the 9th of February 1915 at Glenmore. At the time of their wedding Michael Ryan was 35 years of age and Mary Manning was 30. Both gave their address as Karneybay (sic). Michael was the son of Jermiah Ryan (labourer) and Mary was the daughter of Martin Manning (farmer).
Ellie’s Parents & Grandparents
According to the 1911 Census Michael Ryan had 8 siblings. His father Jeremiah (66) and mother Mary (54) had five children still at home. Jeremiah Ryan (labourer) of Kearneysbay married Mary Prendergast of Scartnamore, Glenmore on 20 November 1878. Jeremia Ryan was the son of Michael Ryan (labourer) and Mary Prendergast was the daughter of Richard Prendergast (farmer).
In 1911, Mary Manning was residing in Rathinure, Glenmore, with her father Martin Manning, a widower. The 1901 Census provides far more information. Her father was 52 and was a navy. Her mother, Ellen, was 48. Mary had three brothers listed: Bartley Manning was 21; Edward Manning was 20 and John Manning was 18. All three of her brothers were also navies we assume with the railway that was being built between New Ross and Waterford.
Ellie’s Siblings

Unfortunately, Irish births after 1916 are generally not available to the public. However, per Ellie’s and other family obituaries we know that Ellie Balldwin née Ryan had at least three brothers and a sister. Her brothers included: Martin “Mattie” Ryan, Patrick Ryan (1917-1973) of Kearneybay and Dermot Ryan of Kilivory, Glenmore, and her sister was Mary Walsh née Ryan of Mary Street, New Ross. See our R family surname page for Ryan obituaries.
Children of Ned and Ellie Baldwin
Ned and Ellie Baldwin had three children: [1] John Baldwin (Newbridge, Co. Kildare) [2] Mary Baldwin Tohill (Aylesbury, England) and [3] Elizabeth “Lizzy” Baldwin Davis (Aylesbury, England).
John Baldwin went into the army as a teenager and at the age of 19 in 1962 was sent to the Congo (Munster Express, Fri. 18 May 1962, p. 9). For further information and Baldwin obituaries please see our B surname page.
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Special thanks to Michael Ryan, of Kearneybay, Glenmore for sharing the photo of his parents Dermie Ryan & Peggy Ryan née O’Neil and to Michael Hoynes of Ballybrahee, Glenmore for his help.
The featured photo above is Donovan’s Mill, Ballyrowragh, Slieverue, on the border of Glenmore Parish.
Please send any corrections, additional information or photos to glenmore.history@gmail.com.
Dr. Kathleen Moore Walsh
Kearneysbay, Glenmore (1961)
Today, we are going to feature information Danny Dowling (1927-2021) recorded regarding the residents of the townland of Kearneysbay, Glenmore, in 1961. This townland has been spelled multiple ways over the past three centuries. Sometimes it is spelled without an “s” as Kearneybay. Sometimes it is spelled as two separate words Kearney’s Bay. Some 19th century newspapers spelled it Carney Bay.
Background
The Irish for this townland, according to O’Kelly’s, The Place Names of the County of Kilkenny Ireland (1969, p. 113) is Trian an ri, or the King’s third. The townland is comprised of 141 acres. “The ‘third’ is an ancient land measure term. There is another townland in the parish [Kilcollumb] far removed from here called Trinaree. James Kearney of Kearneysbay held lands in Parkstown, Ballyvoulera, Luffany and Kearneysbay according to his will registered in the Registry of Deeds Office, Dublin, on 9th May, 1754 —from Abstract of Wills, Vol. II by P. Beryl Eustace.”
Tithe Appotment Books 1829
In 1829, Major Charles Kearney held 139 acres and was the only person listed in the applotment books for Kearneysbay.
Landlord of Kearneysbay, Glenmore, Charles Kearney (c. 1787-1871)
Major Charles Kearney (c. 1787-1871) of the 2d Dragoon Guards, or Queen’s Bays married Mary Anne Massy of Limerick. The bride was the youngest daughter of Hon. George Eyre Massy, of Limerick City (Dublin Weekly Register, Sat. 17 October 1829, p. 8).
Major Kearney was promoted to Lieut.-Col. in 1837 “by purchase” (Dorset County Chronicle, Thur. 2 Nov. 1837). Kearney died on 24 July 1871,”at his residence, 3, Upper Brook street, Grosvenor square, London.” He died in his 85th year (Waterford Standard, Sat. 29 July 1871, p. 3) His widow, Mary Anne died on the 31st of August 1886, at Homburg (Dublin Daily Express, Fri. 10 Sept. 1886, p. 1).
1961 Kearneysbay, Glenmore
In 1961, Danny recorded three families or households in the townland of Kearneysbay. Birthdates or birth years are provided for some of the older residents gleaned from available public records. For some time after drafting his notebook, Danny recorded the dates of death or simply recorded that a resident had died or left the townland.
Danny’s recorded information reveals that in 1961, ten people resided in the townland of Kearneysbay, with the population comprised of 9 males and 1 female. The largest family was the Heffernan family with 8 in the household. There were 2 households recorded with a single person living alone in each house. All information under residents of Kearneysbay not in Danny’s original list has been placed in square brackets [ ].
Recorded Kearneysbay, Glenmore Residents (1961)
Males= 9
Females= 1
Eldest Recorded Resident
The eldest resident recorded by Danny in 1961 in Kearneysbay, Glenmore was Thomas Foran (b. 14 Jan. 1885) who was 76 years of age in 1961. A headstone in St. James’s Cemetery provides that Thomas died 22 June 1973, aged 88. The birth register and parish baptismal records provides that Thomas Foran was born on the 4th of January 1885 the son of John Foran (farmer) of Kearneysbay and his wife Ellen Power. Mary Foran of Robinstown was present at his birth and registered his birth on the 13th of January 1885.
Kearneysbay, Glenmore Residents 1961

[1] HEFFERNAN
Heffernan, Thomas (10 Mar. 1888-12 Jan. 1965) Farmer
Heffernan, Michael (b. 22 Mar. 1916) son, assisting relative [per headstone 1916-1988]
Heffernan, Mary, daughter-in-law [per headstone née Doherty (1931-2015)]
Heffernan, Thomas, grandson [per headstone 1929-2003 buried in Calif.]
Heffernan, John, grandson
Heffernan, Christopher, grandson
Heffernan, Desmond, grandson
Dunphy, Thomas (b. 14 Dec. 1894) employee, farm labourer
[2] FORAN
Foran, Thomas (b. 14 Jan. 1885) Retired Labourer. [See above, Tom Foran died 22 June1973].
[Tom Foran lived in a long thatched house down at the end of Kearneysbay road. He was a big man and spent most of his life in the merchant navy. Tom Foran was in England and came across another Glenmore man reared in Aylwardstown, Foxy Wattie Power’s brother. The Power man was in a fight and was so covered with blood Tom Foran said that his own mother wouldn’t recognise him. “But he stuck it out and beat the other fella.” (Tom Walsh (1908-1992) of Rathinure, Glenmore)] For further information see our F surname page.
[3] RYAN
Ryan, Patrick (b. 1917) Farm Labourer [Per newspaper notice died in July 1973].
[Paddy Ryan collapsed and died as he was about to enter a cot to go fishing on the River Barrow. His brother, Dermot Ryan (Kilmakevogue, Glenmore) was with Paddy when he collapsed and died. For further information see our family R surname page.]
Please send any corrections, additional information or photos to glenmore.history@gmail.com.
Dr. Kathleen Moore Walsh

