Redgap, Glenmore (1961)

Today, we are going to feature information Danny Dowling (1927-2021) recorded regarding the two residents of Redgap in 1961, as well as other information he recorded regarding Redgap, the smallest townland in Glenmore.

Background

The Irish for this townland, according to O’Kelly’s, The Place Names of the County of Kilkenny Ireland (1969, p. 114) is Bearna dhearg, which means “a red gap”. Redgap is the smallest townland in Glenmore and is comprised of only 33 acres. That is the sum total of the information O’Kelly provides. Redgap is located on the edge of Glenmore parish in the civil parish of Kilcolumb. It borders Slieverue on the crescent of the Rochestown/Scart hills.

Tithe Applotment Books 1829

We were unable to find any reference to Redgap, in the Kilcolumb Civil Parish list of townlands in the Tithe Applotment Books. We believe that Redgap was an area within a larger townland. Given its proximity to Slieverue it may be the case that it was once part of the townland of Ballyrowragh and was separated from that townland when the Catholic parish of Glenmore was established in 1846.  In the 20^th century Redgap was usually identified as being part of Rochestown.

Oral Tradition Regarding Redgap, Glenmore

Philip Wallace (c. 1806-1883)

In 1956, Danny interviewed Matt Aylward of Ballyfacey, Glenmore (DD Notebook 4). Matt stated, “In the last century a man named Philip Wallace who lived in Redgap conducted a hedge school.” Matt recited and Danny recorded the following crude local verse in reference to Philip Wallace’s school—“Philip’s scholars against the wall,   A pint of piss would drown them all.”

A couple of sayings Matt shared with Danny that Phillip Wallace used were “go that” pronounced “gow that” and “No moiseac (mozhic) on him” or “No worry on him.”

Phillip Wallis (sic) (c. 1806-1883) schoolmaster, died on 24 November 1883 at his home at Redgap at the age of 77. His wife, Ellen Wallis was present when he died. According to Glenmore Parish records, Phillip Wallace married Ellen Fitzpatrick of Rochestown on 1 March 1870. According to the marriage records, Philip was a bachelor, schoolmaster, and was the son of Luke Wallace, farmer. Ellen was a servant and the daughter of Patrick Fitzpatrick (labourer) of Rochestown. If Philip’s age at his death is correct, he was about 64 when he married.

The John O’Donovan Connection to Redgap, Glenmore

According to Martin Walsh (c. 1918- 1996) of Rochestown, Glenmore there were three “botháns” in the long, narrow, hilly field in Redgap (the field currently owned by John Hoynes). The small houses were at the sheltered side of the north facing ditch where the field is level. May Roche (c. 1918-2001) of Scart, Glenmore said that her father (John “Sal” Roche (c. 1861-1931) and aunt Allie (Alice) Roche (c. 1859 -1933) told her that there was once a small shop in Redgap (May gave this information to Michael Hoynes of Ballybrahee, Glenmore).

Michael Hoynes also recalled this week that May Roche (c. 1918-2001) stated that the great Irish scholar John O’Donovan (c. 1806-1861) was connected to Redgap. Michael went on to research this statement and found a biography of John O’Donovan written by Diarmaid Ó Catháin that provides the connection.  

Leased Redgap 

John O’Donovan’s father, Edmund, did well during the Napoleonic wars (c. 1803-1815). In 1816, he built a new house but due to circumstances he was forced to move. Edmund leased 33 acres in the adjacent townland of Redgap near where his brother Patrick O’Donovan (1753-1831) had a cornmill. At the same time John O’Donovan’s eldest brother, Michael (bapt. 1789) leased 40 acres in Ballyrowragh, Slieverue. John O’Donovan’s father died in 1817 and John appears to have gone to live with this brother. His uncle, Patrick, was an important influence on John. Patrick went to sea as a young man, was widely read in both English and Irish, and had a great interest in history and tradition. Irish was the primary language in the locality at the time.

Donovan’s Mill, Ballyrowragh, Slieverue

The corn mill at Ballyrowragh still stands, and today it is still called “Donovan’s Mill.” The Tithe Applotment Books, 1829, provides that Patrick Donovan held 9 acres in Ballyrowragh, Slieverue.  Given that Redgap, Glenmore is only comprised of 33 acres it appears that Edmund O’Donovan leased the entire townland.  See our post of 13 March 2021 for  information on John O’Donovan’s work. 

Griffith’s Valuation (1847-1864)

Supporting the local oral tradition, Griffith’s Valuation lists three households in Redgap: [1] Philip Wallace (house & 1 acre); [2] John Gahan & Joseph Gahan (house and 13 acres) and [3] John Roche (house, offices and 17 acres). It is assumed that the Gahan’s were uncles or great-uncles of Martin Walsh (his mother was Elly Gahan). It is also assumed that John Roche was May Roche’s grandfather. 

1961 Redgap, Glenmore

In 1961, Danny recorded one family or household in the townland of Redgap. In 1961, there was a married couple living in Redgap, Edward “Ned” Baldwin and his wife, Ellen “Elly” Baldwin (1916-1988) née Ryan.

Recorded Redgap, Glenmore Residents (1961)

Male= 1
Female= 1

Eldest Redgap, Glenmore, Resident 1961

Edward “Ned” Baldwin (1903-1991)

The eldest resident recorded by Danny in 1961 in Redgap, Glenmore, was Edward “Neddy” Baldwin (30 May 1903- 26 May 1991).  Edward Baldwin was born to John Baldwin (labourer) and his wife, Elizabeth Doyle. The address on the birth cert is Knockroe, Waterford. In his obituary it is stated that Edward was a native of Passage East. As a young man Ned was a member of the Defence forces. He was skilled in all aspects of mechanical farm equipment and worked for years for James Kelly of Aylwardstown. Please see our B Family surname page for Edward’s obituary.

Marriage

Edward Baldwin married Ellen Ryan on 26 April 1937 in the Cathedral of Waterford. Edward was a labourer living in Skeard, Kilmacow. He was the son of John Baldwin (farmer). Ellen was living in Glenmore the daughter of Michael Ryan, labourer.  Given the fact that Redgap is often referred to as part of Rochestown we believe that Ned and Ellie moved to Redgap in 1947. According to the Munster Express (Friday 6 June 1947, p. 2) Edward Baldwin, of Ringville, was appointed tenant of cottage 190L, of Rochestown, formerly in the occupation of Martin Connolly.

Ellen “Ellie” Baldwin née Ryan  (1916 -1988)

The second resident of Redgap, Glenmore in 1961 was Glenmore native Ellie Baldwin née Ryan. Ellie was born on 17 February 1916 at Kearneybay, Glenmore, the eldest child of Michael Ryan (labourer) and his wife Mary Manning. Her parents were married on the 9^th of February 1915 at Glenmore. At the time of their wedding Michael Ryan was 35 years of age and Mary Manning was 30. Both gave their address as Karneybay (sic). Michael was the son of Jermiah Ryan (labourer) and Mary was the daughter of Martin Manning (farmer).

Ellie’s Parents & Grandparents

According to the 1911 Census Michael Ryan had 8 siblings. His father Jeremiah (66) and mother Mary (54) had five children still at home. Jeremiah Ryan (labourer) of Kearneysbay married Mary Prendergast of Scartnamore, Glenmore on 20 November 1878. Jeremia Ryan was the son of Michael Ryan (labourer) and Mary Prendergast was the daughter of Richard Prendergast (farmer).

In 1911, Mary Manning was residing in Rathinure, Glenmore, with her father Martin Manning, a widower. The 1901 Census provides far more information. Her father was 52 and was a navy. Her mother, Ellen, was 48. Mary had three brothers listed: Bartley Manning was 21; Edward Manning was 20 and John Manning was 18. All three of her brothers were also navies we assume with the railway that was being built between New Ross and Waterford.

Ellie’s Siblings

Unfortunately, Irish births after 1916 are generally not available to the public. However, per Ellie’s and other family obituaries we know that Ellie Balldwin née Ryan had at least three brothers and a sister. Her brothers included: Martin “Mattie” Ryan, Patrick Ryan (1917-1973) of Kearneybay and Dermot Ryan of Kilivory, Glenmore, and her sister was Mary Walsh née Ryan of Mary Street, New Ross.  See our R family surname page for Ryan obituaries.

Children of Ned and Ellie Baldwin

Ned and Ellie Baldwin had three children: [1] John Baldwin (Newbridge, Co. Kildare) [2] Mary Baldwin Tohill (Aylesbury, England) and [3] Elizabeth “Lizzy” Baldwin Davis (Aylesbury, England).   

John Baldwin went into the army as a teenager and at the age of 19 in 1962 was sent to the Congo (Munster Express, Fri. 18 May 1962, p. 9). For further information and Baldwin obituaries please see our B surname page.

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Special thanks to Michael Ryan, of Kearneybay, Glenmore for sharing the photo of his parents Dermie Ryan & Peggy Ryan née O’Neil and to Michael Hoynes of Ballybrahee, Glenmore for his help.

The featured photo above is Donovan’s Mill, Ballyrowragh, Slieverue, on the border of Glenmore Parish.

Please send any corrections, additional information or photos to glenmore.history@gmail.com.

Dr. Kathleen Moore Walsh