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To Rhode Island and Back: John J. Curran (1889-1976) of Glenmore
Much has been written about the conditions the people of Ireland faced in the 1840’s, the voluntary and forced emigration during that time, and the difficulties and often hostility faced at their destination. Most who went to North America went to large cities and never returned to Ireland. Danny Dowling’s research has uncovered and recorded unusual emigration circumstances. For example, in 1977 Danny wrote to Fr. John Lahey providing requested information concerning the Edward Doherty family of Milltown, Glenmore. Danny’s research revealed that contrary to the norm of a man emigrating with his family, or going alone and later sending for his wife and children, in this case Edward Doherty’s wife went out to America on her own, settled in Peoria, Illinois where she worked in a laundry. After a couple of years she sent home the fares for her husband and children to join her. When the family reunited they settled in Pike Township, Livingston County, Illinois where they “took a farm.”
John J. Curran’s Early Life
In 1971 Danny Dowling interviewed a Glenmore born man, John J. Curran (1889-1976) about his immigration to the US in December 1911. Six decades after the Famine, John Curran chose to immigrate to the US although he was educated and employed. Six decades after immigrating to the US John J. Curran chose to return to live in Ireland.
John J. Curran, formerly of Robinstown, Glenmore, was the son of John Curran and his wife Margaret Curran née Conway. It is believed that John J was their youngest child. Margaret was from Mooncoin. Her family were evicted from their farm and ended up in Mooncoin, Village.
The 1911 census was taken on Sunday the 2nd of April 1911 just eight months before John left. The census reveals that the father, John Curran, was 62 years of age and employed as a National Teacher. Margaret Curran was 63 years of age and was an “ex National Teacher.” The census also reveals that the couple had been married for 36 years and they had had 13 children, but only 9 were alive in 1911. The children living at home in 1911 include: Alice Curran, age 29; Nicholas Curran, age 27; Margaret Curran, age 24 and John Curran age 21. Alice and Nicholas were both National Teachers, no employment was listed for Margaret, and John J. Curran was employed as a draper’s assistant.
A draper was originally the maker of fabric, but later the occupation turned to dealing in fabric and sewing supplies. It is believed by 1911 the draper also dealt with the selling of ready-made clothing. John Curran, before going to America served his time to the drapery trade in Clery’s of Dublin where he had to live in. While in Dublin he played Gaelic Football with the C.J. Kickham’s Team. He was a full back with the Dublin team that defeated Kildare in the All Ireland Final held in Kildare about 1910. The Dublin team was comprised of 15 men and they won by 2 points. John also noted that he played Mayo in Ballina and Sligo in Sligo. John related that he also played on St. James’s team.
Emigration
In his 1971 interview John J. Curran recalled that he set off for America in December 1911. He travelled on board the S.S. Cedric from Cobh to Boston in a steerage cabin. The journey took 8 days and the fare cost £7-10-0. While on board ship John met a middle aged Irish American man from Laurence Massachusetts. For a joke the man took John’s money and travel papers etc. and kept him in suspense until the ship arrived in Boston when he returned all to him. He was a very decent man and treated John very well on the voyage.
John stated that when he arrived in Boston he was met “off the boat” by his uncle James Conway. John was then taken by his uncle James to a restaurant for a meal. When it was served John took off his cap and made the sign of the cross in the usual Irish manner whereupon his uncle rebuked him saying, “They don’t do that in America. They don’t bless themselves at meals.”
John stayed with his uncle Billy Conway for some time after his arrival. Billy Conway lived in Everitt Massachusetts a town about eight miles outside of Boston. John reported that his uncle James Conway worked in Lexington Massachusetts. The first job that John J. Curran obtained upon his arrival in the US was in a drapery store in Boyleston St., in Boston, where he earned 12 dollars a week.
John next went to work for the Jordan Marsh Department store which was the biggest store in Boston at that time. John earned 15 dollars a week. He stayed at the Jordan March Department store for about a year. John recalled that he moved to Providence, Rhode Island and on arrival he stayed in the Narraganset Hotel. His first job in Providence was with the Outlet Co. at 18 dollars a week plus commissions based on a percentage of his sales. The store superintendent was a man named Steiner and John stayed in this job for eight years.
John informed Danny that in his time in Glenmore Fr. William Walsh was the C.C. and afterwards he became the parish priest of Tullaroan. In John’s time Father Walsh was called Wild Father Walsh because he used to break up dancers with a whip. Father McGrath was another C.C. in Glenmore and John recalled that he was a gentle type of man.
Return to Live and Die in Ireland
Today, Danny said that John J. Curran returned to Ireland as an elderly man and at the time of his interview was living on the Quay in Waterford with his sister Alice Power née Curran. At that time Alice was the widow of Wattie Power of Jamestown, Glenmore and her niece was married to Henry Bevins who was a national teacher in Glenmore. In addition to teaching, Master Bevins also had a bookshop on the Quay in Waterford. The extended family lived above the bookshop. John J. Curran is buried in Glenmore. Danny described John J. Curran as a very nice, decent man.
US Records Add to the Story
Online US records were examined to determine if there were other facts available for John’s time in the US and the records located highlight the turmoil of the era.
All men in the US in 1917 were required to register for the WWI draft. On 5 June 1917 John J. Curran registered. His registration card provides that he was 27 and living at 54 Rowan St. Providence, Rhode Island. He stated that he was born on the 6 of September 1889 in Glenmore, Co. Waterford, Ireland. John recorded that he was a salesman for the Outlet Co., was married and had one child. The registrar recorded that John was of medium height, slender build, grey eyes and brown hair.
On 20 November 1917 John Joseph Curran filed a Petition for Naturalisation in the Federal Court in Providence, Rhode Island and thereby sought to become a US citizen. At that time he still was living at 54 Rowan St. in Providence and listed his occupation as a dry goods salesman. He reported that he was born on 6 September 1889 in Glenmore, Ireland and emigrated from Queenstown on the 17th of November 1911 and arrived in Boston on 7 December 1911 on the vessel Franconia.
John recorded on his petition that on the 13th of December 1911, less than a week after landing, he went to the Boston Court House and declared his intention to become a US citizen. John recorded that he was married to Alice whose date of birth was 7 February 1892, and they had one child also named Alice who was born on 6 July 1915. He declared that he had lived continuously in Rhode Island since 12 August 1912. John in his affidavit revealed that he had first applied for naturalization on 29 December 1916 but was unable to obtain required depositions and requested the court to dismiss his application to allow him to reapply at a later date. For his 20 November 1917 petition John presented an affidavit from the US Department of Labor, and two witnesses, Lewis Clarke (insurance agent) and Laurence Walsh (police officer).
The next significant US record located was John Curran’s passport application of 18 June 1922 when he applied for a passport for himself and his wife Alice and two minor children (Alice, aged 6 and Margaret D. aged 4). He noted that his father John Curran was dead, but he wanted to sail on the Adriatic on the 24th of June and intended to return to the US within 6 weeks.
John stated that he was a dry good merchant and the family intended to visit Ireland, England and France. He described himself as being aged 32, 5 feet 10 ½ inches in height, with no distinguishing marks, blue eyes, straight nose, medium mouth, long face, fair complexion and brown hair. Two photos were attached to the passport application; one was a photo of John J. Curran and the other was a group photo of his wife and daughters.
The US Federal Census of 1930 reveals that John J. Curran was living at 124 Whitford Lane in Providence and he was 40 years of age and the proprietor of a dry goods shop. Thus at the beginning of the Great Depression John J. Curran owned a shop and was an employer. His wife, Alice was 36 and in addition to their two daughters both of Alice’s parents were living with them. John’s father-in-law, John W. Shea was 62 and employed as a teamster of dry goods. John’s mother-in-law was aged 62, had been born in Ireland, spoke Gaelic and immigrated to the US in 1870.
The last available census is the US Federal Census of 1940 which provides that the Curran family was living at 58 Quincy Street in Providence. John’s daughter Alice was aged 24 and employed as a public school teacher, and daughter Margaret was aged 21 and employed as a file clerk. John’s wife Alice is listed as head of house and aged 48. John is not listed in the home although his father-in-law, widower, John W. Shea is present and aged 78. In 1942 John J. Curran registered for the WWII draft. This document reflects that John named his wife Alice as his next of kin with the 58 Quincy Street address listed as his home address. John J. Curran recorded that he was employed for the State of Rhode Island at the Howard State Infirmary in Cranston, Rhode Island.
Lastly, the Social Security Death Index provides that John J. Curran died in August 1976 and his last known address was in Ireland.
It is truly amazing the variety of documents and information that are available on line today.
Curran Headstone, St. James’s Cemetery, Glenmore
(Added 1 December 2019) The Curran headstone in St. James’s Churchyard, Glenmore provides the following:
John Curran died on 13 June 1912 aged 65; his wife, Margaret died on 15 January 1917 aged 67; both for many years National School Teachers of Glenmore. Their children: Joseph died young; Mary died on the 4th of September 1900 aged 24; Richard died on the 28th of December 1903 aged 23; Laurence died on the 21 of January 1922 aged 45; Nicholas died on 25 January 1925 aged 40; (side of stone) Annie Curran died on 30 January 1942; her sister Margaret Bevin died on 4 May 1946, aged 56 and John J. Curran died on 4 August 1976, aged 86.
Special thanks to my husband Peter Walsh for locating the Curran headstone.
Dr. Kathleen Moore Walsh
Took to the Road Around Glenmore
In 1955 Danny Dowling recorded a list of men and women who “took to the road” and regularly visited the Glenmore area in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. These usually homeless people were often referred to as tramps or beggars. In the days before social welfare, they travelled from place to place stopping and staying, and perhaps doing odd jobs, for a day or two in exchange for food and a place to sleep. They were usually accomodated in an outbuilding, stable loft or boiler house. Some of the names recorded by Danny include: Mick the Sweep; Corduroy Hat (Pat O’Hara); and Jack the Barrow (who travelled with a wheelbarrow).
Danny obtained details concerning some of these men and women when he interviewed Nicholas Forristal of the Mill, Graiguenakill, on 17 November 1974. Nicky Forristal was born in Glenmore on 1 February 1888. He worked at his family mill in Graiguenakill which was near the main road. He was well placed to speak to and observe people travelling to and around Glenmore.
Dicky “The Stallion” Walsh
Dicky the Stallion was a harmless man. His name was Dick Walsh, and was so called Dicky the Stallion from the fact that his father kept a stallion horse. Paddy the Stallion was his brother. Paddy the Stallion was also a harmless man but not as much so as Dicky. Dicky and Paddy were natives of around Bigwood, Mullinavat area. Their father had a farm, got broke and lost it.
Dicky the Stallion, after his father lost the farm, stayed at the Mill in Graiguenakill, where he got lodging. Dicky also used to stay at Johnnie Ennetts of Cappagh, sometimes. On one occasion he was in Ennetts in the barn, one morning after staying the night when Johnnie asked him, “is he gone yet?” Dickie replied, “I’ll be gone soon sir.” After some time Johnnie called again and said “You’re not gone yet,” to which Dickie replied “Sure I must stand on Ireland’s proud anyway boy—as I have nowhere to go.” Dicky and Paddy Walsh were going around until about 1900. Nicky described them as low size blocks of men with cropped beards. Nicky stated that they had plenty of talk but never spoke ill of anybody.
Paddy “Go Easy” Gorman
Paddy Gorman, known as Paddy Go Easy was a native of New Ross. Paddy Go Easy came out about once a fortnight to the Glenmore area. He always called to the mill. Nicky Forristal noted that “he was in it about 70 to 80 years ago.” Nicky described Paddy Go Easy as a big tall man who walked fast and was clean shaven. He carried a big long stick like a pike handle and wore a wide Jerry Hat. Paddy Go Easy didn’t talk much.
Paddy Pencil
Paddy Pencil, was from the Rower where his father had a farm. Paddy Pencil was in it before Nicky Forristal’s time. Paddy came to Ross to work and got fond of the drink. He remained on in Ross. He was not a travelling man, only hung about the town getting an odd job holding horses and carrying parcels all for a few pence to buy drink.
When Paddy’s father died he left the farm to Paddy’s brother. The brother then gave Paddy the father’s clothes to wear for his soul. Paddy returned from Ross one night shortly afterwards wearing his father’s clothes. He went into the yard and stood in the middle of it and called his brother—imitating his father’s voice.
Paddy’s brother came to the window and thinking it was his father calling from the dead, and he asked his father, “What trouble are you in?” Paddy replied—still imitating his father, “Give the money of the two stacks of wheat in Haggard to Paddy in Ross.” Paddy’s poor brother thought he’d never have the stacks of wheat threshed soon enough in order to give the money to Paddy. He thought this necessary so his father’s soul would rest. When Paddy’s brother had the wheat threshed and sold he immediately gave the money to Paddy. Paddy had a great time drinking for about 3 weeks.
Jack the Ink
Jack the Ink moved around Glenmore before Nicky Forristal’s time. Peggy Gaffney, who had the little shop in Glenmore, told Nicky that Jack the Ink called to her shop. On one occasion Jack bought and ate 12 penny buns in the shop. Jack used to talk to himself and lodged here and there around Glenmore. Jack was regarded as clever. “As clever as Jack the Ink,” the people used say. He made straw hats for 1 ½ d. each.
John “Tail of the Comet” Dalton
John Dalton was known as Tail of the Comet and was from “up Co. Kilkenny.” A big tall man about 6 feet tall. John had a bit of a meegle (goatee). John Dalton “used be after the wedding cee caws in Glenmore.” (This was a custom after a wedding where coins were thrown into the air.) John Dalton carried a switch and used to belt the women on the knuckles in the scramble. He was a clever old daw and was in circulation until the 1930’s. He was about 70 years of age then. Paddy Forristal, Nicky’s son, saw him calling to Glenmore School, when Paddy was a pupil. John used to lift the latch and open the door and put in his head and say “How you Mister Beevins?” He called Mr. Bevans, the headmaster, Mr. Beevins. John always got a couple of pence from Mr. Bevans. After getting the money John would say, “Happy harvest to you now sir” and remove his hat. John also called to the priests, and was reasonably well dressed.
Gentle Annie
Gentle Annie was going when Nicky Forristal was a young man, and he remembered her as “The Lady All Round.” She appeared to be old then and she was called Nurse Whelan. She lived and died at Nelly Grawsheens, where Hanrahan’s shop is now, in Robinstown, Glenmore. She was a big, tall, old woman when Nicky Forristal knew her. It appeared she was a nurse in a hospital in her time. After her death, the union hearse came from Waterford and took her away. Nicky Forristal was going to school when she died about 74 years ago. They had a great night at her wake even though there was no drink. Nicky Forristal related that they “had a bonfire inside, they tore the boards down off the loft and burned” them. All the local boys were there and there was a dance as well. That same night they nearly roasted Mick Breen of Graiguenakill, and Nicky noted that Breen’s real name was Butler.
Others
Other persons Nicky Forristal recalled in 1974 were: Foxy Ned Grace (a Crimea War Pensioner); Blind Woman (who was dead over 70 years); George Lackey (who had been in India) and Jim Arse who “was in it” about 80 years ago, and worked with Tom Nolan at the Redhouse in Shanbogh.
Biddy the Pipes was an old woman when Nicky Forristal was a chap. She used have about three pipes on her for smoking. She used to regularly call to the mill for a bit to eat.
Billy and Jane Fleming lived in a lime kiln in Graiguenakill. Billy and Jane used to pick furze seed in order to get a bit to eat. Billy once carried 4 stones of furze seed to Kilkenny and back to Waterford on his back. Billy used to say, “Shut the door and let me in.” He died before 1890.
Jack the Bird McGrath was a cattle drover. In the Glenmore area he stopped in Whelan’s Bog, Shanbough; Grants, Ballyvarring and Mullin’s of Flemingstown. In 1974, Nicky Forristal noted he was dead about 50 years or more.
Bolliky Bill’s real name was Bill Coffey. Nicky Forristal when interviewed stated that “he was one of the last tramps to roam this area,” and was in it up to about 20 years ago. He was usually dressed in rags, almost in his skin. Bill had a kind of English accent, but never spoke very much.
First Burial in St. James
It is believed that the first person to be buried in the cemetery attached to St. James, the present Glenmore church, was a woman named Reilly who took to the roads and travelled around the Glenmore area. She was stopped at Dunphy’s in Ballyverneen, Glenmore when she died. This information was provided to Danny Dowling by the late Luke Gaule of Slieveconagh, Rosbercon, who heard it from Michael Gaule of Killespy, Slieverue and late of Jamestown, Glenmore. The present churchyard opened in 1805 eight years before St. James was built in 1813.
The feature black and white photo was taken of a Rathinure local in 2019 on the Kilcolumb Church Lane. The other photo is courtesy of the digital collection of the New York Public Library. The Miriam and Ira D. Wallach Division of Art, Prints and Photographs: Photography Collection, The New York Public Library. “”Bum blockade.” The New York Public Library Digital Collections. 1936. https://digitalcollections.nypl.org/items/4adae4b0-73d3-0136-0397-1ba7cc681344
Dr. Kathleen Moore Walsh
Introducing Glenmore Historian: Danny Dowling (1927-2021)
Daniel Dowling, more popularly known in the parish of Glenmore as Danny, has been interviewing and recording the information provided by a range of people concerning events and people of the South East for nearly 7 decades. Danny has become the recognised historian of Glenmore, and both local and people from all over the world, have sought his help in tracing their ancestors. On 28 September 2019 the tables were turned and Danny was interviewed.
Danny’s Early Life
Danny was born on 15 February 1927, the eldest of l2 children of Patrick Dowling of Jamestown, Glenmore and his wife Hannah Murphy Dowling who was originally from Ballinlammy, Glenmore.
Danny candidly admits that he was not interested in education as a boy. He attended the boys’ National School in Glenmore and was sent as a day student to Good Council in New Ross for secondary school. Danny only lasted a year or two at Good Council and then went to work on the Dowling farm in Jamestown. Eventually, after the death of his father in 1945, Danny went to Dublin to take a course in Public Health at the National College. Upon graduation he sat a civil service exam and did very well. He was offered four jobs and took a post in County Kildare where he stayed for a year. He then transferred to Waterford in 1951 or 1952 where he remained employed as a Public Health Inspector until his retirement in 1988.
Public Health Inspector
Danny described his job as a Public Health Inspector as requiring him to enforce laws regarding housing. His duties included all housing, not just council houses, as well as trying to find housing for the homeless. He noted that he observed some terrible living conditions in the early years of his career. Danny recorded the condition of the housing and made recommendations concerning it.
Interest in Local History
Notwithstanding his disinterest in education as a boy, from an early age Danny had an interest in history particularly local history. He evolved from listening to the stories told by the older inhabitants of the area to jotting down notes. To date, 15 of Danny’s notebooks have been transcribed and a number more have yet to be transcribed. These notebooks contain a treasure trove of information concerning local customs, events, families, local Irish words, Irish field names etc. Danny recalls that he began taking notes and interviewing people before he went to work in Waterford. In addition to writing two books for the Waterford Corporation, historical articles by Danny have been published Kilkenny and Waterford journals.
When asked to give advice to any person who is interested in local history, Danny responded that the best approach is to start talking and recording the memories of people you know.
Glenmore History Blog will contain weekly articles from the notes that Danny has taken over the years and Danny hopes that his work will be shared, preserved and generate interest among younger people.
Dr. Kathleen Moore Walsh